we're borrowing all of our money from china and other places and they can't believe it. and i can't believe it when i watch what's going on. and you could raise taxes all you want, but it's not going to be enough to solve the problem. the expenditures is really where the costs, are really where we have the big problem. as part of an overall deal, do i mind if my taxes go up? will it affect me? what i want to see is an -- they do a great job on expenditures, i guess he everybody can expect there is going to be a tax increase for a certain group of people. would i be willing to say yes to that? i think the answer is yes, if the expenditures really -- and i mean by a big margin, really go down so that this country could become balanced. we owe $17 trillion as a country. and unless something happens, there is going to be disa catastrophe the likes of which we've never seen. so the leaders have to get together and they have to make the big deal. not a stop gap. i'm watching you this morning and they talk about the little deal, the little deal, there is no little step. it's on